"…the TWIM jhanas don’t produce as gnarly phenomenological descriptions of j1 as the Brasington techniques…."
This comparison surprises me. I'm used to seeing Brasington counted among the teachers of Jhana Lite (even though his insistence on preliminary "access concentration" seems like a steeper motivational climb than the loving-kindness warm fuzzies of TWIM).
Hey! yeah, the descriptions I've heard from ppl who've accessed j1 through brasignton method people often describe as "hard takeoffs" vs the "softer" takeoffs of TWIM. This is bc in TWIM style or any style where from the outset you're steeping in more and more enjoyment, you aren't as shocked by the phase shift into jhana, whereas in brasington style you go from neutral valence meditation object to a huge amount of euphoria.
Even if Brasignton is counted amongst the "jhana lite" crowd, any lite jhana is Not going to be a light experience to someone who hasn't experienced jhana.
Thanks. If I may pick your brain a little more: With the softer takeoff from TWIM, for example, is there still a distinctly noticeable moment when "the opposite of a panic attack" sets in? Metaphorically, is there still a moment of sudden acceleration, even if it's, say, from 25 to 60 instead of zero to 60?
Even in practice types that produce "light" jhana, the jhana is still an altered state. You can still notice the feeling take on a momentum of its own. You can still notice a phase shift. And the feedback loop quality like "opposite of a panic attack" can also be very obvious, although isn't necessary for jhana to happen
"…the TWIM jhanas don’t produce as gnarly phenomenological descriptions of j1 as the Brasington techniques…."
This comparison surprises me. I'm used to seeing Brasington counted among the teachers of Jhana Lite (even though his insistence on preliminary "access concentration" seems like a steeper motivational climb than the loving-kindness warm fuzzies of TWIM).
Hey! yeah, the descriptions I've heard from ppl who've accessed j1 through brasignton method people often describe as "hard takeoffs" vs the "softer" takeoffs of TWIM. This is bc in TWIM style or any style where from the outset you're steeping in more and more enjoyment, you aren't as shocked by the phase shift into jhana, whereas in brasington style you go from neutral valence meditation object to a huge amount of euphoria.
Even if Brasignton is counted amongst the "jhana lite" crowd, any lite jhana is Not going to be a light experience to someone who hasn't experienced jhana.
Thanks. If I may pick your brain a little more: With the softer takeoff from TWIM, for example, is there still a distinctly noticeable moment when "the opposite of a panic attack" sets in? Metaphorically, is there still a moment of sudden acceleration, even if it's, say, from 25 to 60 instead of zero to 60?
Even in practice types that produce "light" jhana, the jhana is still an altered state. You can still notice the feeling take on a momentum of its own. You can still notice a phase shift. And the feedback loop quality like "opposite of a panic attack" can also be very obvious, although isn't necessary for jhana to happen